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this is Lou Elizondo and you are

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listening to that UFO podcast

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everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast we've got a breakdown for you on

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the 20th of January joining me to

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discuss analyze and pick through some of

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the news stories from the last week or a

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couple of days is Dan how are we out in

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Mexico

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uh I'm great thank you so much I

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realized last time I didn't tell anyone

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the the movie quote solution uh so that

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was uh Pirates of the Caribbean the the

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second one uh when the cracking comes

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out of the water uh but for today I'll

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go for an easy one and just say good

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morning in Vietnam

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oh yeah okay it's Independence Day right

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yeah that was it the same Patch Adams

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yeah well speaking I was speaking of

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Vietnam it's not speaking of Vietnam I

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totally speaking of San Marino don't

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know why that came into my head totally

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put me off

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um project Titan will start there

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um Paolo gazzardi has been on the

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podcast a few times now talking about

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the efforts of project Titan and a group

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of international uh researchers

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enthusiasts investigators scientists

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academics who are looking to push the

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UFO subject into the UN the general

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assembly at the U.N and plan to do that

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if you've had those previous interviews

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with Paolo you should check them out

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um is using San Marino which is one of

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the smallest countries in the world but

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they have representation at the UN so

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that has now been approved which is

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fantastic so really really good news to

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be honest um

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came out of not nowhere but uh there was

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potential delays on it Paulo had

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mentioned a few days ago it might not

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even be March before we had anything

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back then all of a sudden and we got the

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news that I had been approved

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um Robert salastan had given some

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updates as well I'm going to throw some

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dates out at you that we're looking at

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the 23rd uh sorry mid-september of 2023

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uh the submission of San Marino's

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proposal because they'll now put that

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together to the UN secretary General's

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office somewhere from October 2023

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there'll be an examination by the U.N

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commission and then likely from November

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December right at the end of the year

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they will vote on it at the UN General

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Assembly ultimately are they going to

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create and maintain a UFO office at the

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United Nations something we've touched

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on before but it's nice to see we've got

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a bit of concrete there's a concrete yes

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on this now that the potential oh god

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I've said a concrete yes and then

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potential haven't I that you know we're

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definitely getting the the motion put

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through by San Marino so fantastic

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having them on board but it still has to

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go through the UN doesn't it yeah that's

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two main steps really

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um and if successful then we'll be back

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I guess where we were in 78 when it was

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brought to the the general assembly

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then is that it was actually kind of

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Britain that downplayed it uh and voted

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against it and kind of they issued a

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statement saying that they remain firmly

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opposed to the Granada resolution on

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UFOs it didn't really go much deeper

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UN should save face and not waste

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issue uh so though I would hope they

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see a few journalists in the UK press

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comment on this or at least have it put

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to them maybe that's something some of

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the gents at UAP media can help get

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involved with just because that is one

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of the things that they're really good

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and contacts and saying look did you

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the time there's like this totally

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bypasses the UK press it doesn't reach

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them and it has to be put in front of

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them to say this might be something you

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want to look at so it'd be interesting

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of higher ranking politicians

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United Kingdom perspective and just to

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see you know can we get some comments on

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that because it's a pretty interesting

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angle to attack I think I used angle of

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attack on Twitter when I was speaking to

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someone to get the UFO topic moving

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forward again in a different way where

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it's not just are we waiting on

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Congressional hearings in the U.S you

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the conversation held

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yeah 100 and it's an international issue

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as we always say you know these

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sightings happen all around the world uh

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for decades and decades and decades now

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centuries if you want to go back that

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far so you should be a worldwide issue

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and all the countries should be involved

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and this is exactly where it should be

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so I've got my fingers crossed

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some of the comments uh Liberation times

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and Chris shot had put out on his

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website the links are in the description

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to the podcast uh pillow gazardi Who

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obviously deserves a lot of the credit

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here I'm sure he would he would point to

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others involved with with Isa and the

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do his accent today at the nation of San

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Marino has made a momentous decision

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meaning the UFO phenomenon will now be

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discussed where it belongs at the United

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Nations the highest Council of humanity

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I once went to the toilet they're done

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and didn't realize in the U.N in New

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York and that's not part of the Court

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sorry for I actually put a podcast

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sticker outside of the UN in New York

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where maybe that's business it so uh so

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technically we're present though

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vandalism

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um I take no part in that uh and uh

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further the quote he says this project

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is hugely important in today's world

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when nations are observing trans medium

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objects and their skies and seas against

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the backdrop of conflicts like in

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Ukraine it is the topic which can

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promote positive cooperation so that we

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can help solve an enigma which we all

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face this one topic can unite our planet

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and counter our tendency for conflict

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quick side point on that then Dan does

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that argument still hold water with you

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that the UFO topic can unite the world

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because if it's true that the US Russia

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certainly not United them to this point

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not on this issue and and not in terms

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of taking a threat from outer space

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voted comments there you can't see me

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doing the money years uh it would be

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the the different kind of stories

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throughout history and the different

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factions and the different crash

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of a number of countries have interest

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in kind of keeping this to themselves

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when this absolutely is a is an issue

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where different countries have different

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pieces of proposal we really need to

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work together to figure the whole thing

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not only an issue for the us today I

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San Marino for another historic

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milestone in this discussion it should

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be no surprise that the world's longest

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standing Republic is now championing the

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UAP cause on behalf of the world I would

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gazzardi and his colleagues for their

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tireless efforts he finishes we have

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been working this issue diligently for

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several years and consider this a big

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win for all of humanity 2023 is already

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turning out to be a Monumental year for

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this topic and I am proud to have been

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an integral part of project Titan from

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its Inception so yeah

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um interesting thanks to Chris sharp for

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because we know the dates now Robert

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looking at 2024 if this goes ahead but

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it would take effect do you see this

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coming to fruition or is it still very

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much up in the air for you

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really really want it to come to

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fruition uh the assertions of folks like

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macoass saying that San Marino is a

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small country and therefore it doesn't

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really deserve to be taken seriously

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defined by how many people they have

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the silly thing so yeah I think San

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this forward it was a really good plan

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the general assembly being discussed

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even if they don't establish a task

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force it's still getting kind of people

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further down the road in terms of the

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discussion of UAP UFOs yeah and maybe

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packing up that story and asking the

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questions probing on it as well and just

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seeing that you know UFOs are back in

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the conversation uh moving on Brian

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Bender I was going to say of political

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but it was his last piece of work for

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political uh he's since moved on uh made

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a report in their defense newsletter

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that NASA is hosting a two-day meeting

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with representatives from the Pentagon

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the Federal Aviation Administration and

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other agencies that Congress weren't

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involved in its ongoing UAP

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investigation essentially a two-day UFO

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conference for select individuals uh

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what your thoughts on this

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to be some really good rapid

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presentations by people uh yeah they're

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going to be taking recommendations on

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how to study the phenomena with people

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like Abby loab being present project

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Galileo Enigma lamps too if you haven't

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heard of those uh they're a new

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york-based company kind of building

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databases and standardizing those we're

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going to get to them next year oh sure

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cool oh yeah yeah they've got their own

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section as well yeah

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these these companies they're going to

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be gathering data or organizations let's

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just say Gathering data from all around

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the world so it makes sense that NASA or

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an arrow or people like that all want to

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be aware of that data

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um there's just a little bit of attach

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the issue in terms of privacy and things

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like that I think

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so getting these different organizations

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all in one place is something that

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sounds like the UAP task force has

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struggled to do and it's in its role

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because they've had to go all over to

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collect data NASA is obviously getting

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them on the one the one campus the one

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building so there'll hopefully be some

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people involved in the UFO topic and

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they're different Specialties maybe

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meeting for the first time especially

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face to face and having those kind of

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conversations so maybe some of that

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networking will be a positive for the

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subject moving forward maybe people with

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the uep task force and and Dr Sean

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Kirkpatrick are going to benefit from

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again having those individuals speaking

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to each other in some way shape or form

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would you expect Dr Kirkpatrick and

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others to be there from the task force

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yeah absolutely I would uh they would be

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a shame if they weren't because this is

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the

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seriously so uh yeah we we've heard so

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much about data silos and you know these

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separated data pools over the years that

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an event like this stands to just you

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know blow those data silos apart and and

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just establish an information sharing

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which I think is a really good thing

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data silos or so uh so 2021 I would say

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yeah it's a famous tee shot I'm sure

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with that one

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um but yeah I think obviously Bill

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Nelson has a big part to play in this as

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well NASA administrator who is a

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champion of the UFO subject for given

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his previous role and his previous

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briefings he's he's been pretty

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outspoken on it and he is very much

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determined I mean Bill Nelson's very

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much said in interviews that you know

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there's something else out there we need

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to be studying it we need to be looking

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for it and this is a guy who who has

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seen those longer classified briefings

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and presentations and I'm sure some

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wonderful pieces of video did you see on

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that the the video that was online a few

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days ago and for the love of me I can't

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think it was of a Russian ship that the

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US believes is data collecting

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apparently

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um office Shore somewhere I want to say

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Hawaii I'm not sure it may or may not be

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but the gist was a Russian version

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Hawaii is panicking now yeah oh God yeah

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not again after that alarm thing that

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happened there

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um yeah there's a Russian ship which

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they believe maybe intelligence

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gathering but they've got some very

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ideal of it and everyone in the UFO

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Community are picking up online that

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look how clear and wonderful the video

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is that they've got from a distance of

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this Russian ship and you can make out

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the detail on the ship and you know the

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boxes that have dropped and the expiry

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dates on the protein bars are lying on

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Deck pretty much and making the point

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that you know that's the kind of footage

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we want to see

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of these objects that you're managing to

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film that you can't tell us what they

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are that's so that was a little bit of a

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frustration online because you go ah

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there's there's some nice HD camera

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footage that isn't shaky or grainy so

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yeah we know they've got it we're only

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allowed to see the blurry stuff that

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that keeps us so argument online right

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instead of discussing the real issue um

368
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yeah you're right

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that footage has to exist we've been

370
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told it exists

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um we've been told that it probably

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isn't going to be released because of

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XYZ you know mostly to do with natural

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security and keep keeping the systems uh

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classified but you can sanitize this

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footage and you can get it out there as

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proven by you know things like the

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Russian Ship video you mentioned you

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know what things exist where you know

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what close-ups of tanks and things like

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that we've seen the coverage from you

382
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know the Russia Ukraine conflict

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um and and how you know we're

384
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essentially broadcasting a war 4K you

385
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know this is Vietnam all over again but

386
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with DVD quality

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um oh sorry 4K quality

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um so that footage exists and we we just

389
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want to see it and this is what the um

390
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issue is kind of you know tackling it's

391
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finally getting it to the grown-ups

392
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table and having a proper discussion

393
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about this instead of just that step up

394
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and there was no one shot I'll

395
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discussion UFOs yeah quick point before

396
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we move on to the next uh news piece a

397
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question from LMR and the Discord asked

398
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he's interested to know if or do we

399
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think any leaks might come from the

400
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classified briefings that are happening

401
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in Congress and again potentially any

402
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leaks from this NASA you know or a

403
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meeting as well and legislators in the

404
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United States are generally immune from

405
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Suits and prosecution for comments made

406
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well on the floor of the House and

407
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Senate so the potential for some very

408
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interesting species as they are

409
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definitely something to watch for here

410
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in the states what do you think the

411
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chances are over the course of this year

412
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if it's getting something leaking

413
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because I'll be honest that was maybe a

414
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disappointment of mine last year was the

415
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lack of a new video or or photograph

416
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kind of leaking from from any of those

417
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in the know

418
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yeah sure essentially we we want people

419
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like um Sam's Jello brand and people

420
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from the Committees to kind of speak up

421
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and give us these little teasers the the

422
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only people that seem to be talking in

423
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the way that we'd hope would be uh Tim

424
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burchett uh who who you know he's quite

425
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free flowing the way he speaks talking

426
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about cover-up and things like that he's

427
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been privy to some information but not

428
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all of it

429
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um and I would say that's as close as

430
00:15:04,189 --> 00:15:01,920
we've come to a league but yeah going

431
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forward I I would hope

432
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the thing is with leaks it means we get

433
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to see the information but it also means

434
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that we we don't get all of the

435
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information right we just get this

436
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little snippet and then there's there's

437
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a bunch of information back here that

438
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just gets filled with speculation so as

439
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much as I want leaks I more so want them

440
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to just treat us it's got that adults

441
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and have the conversation and show us

442
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this footage and go this is just what's

443
00:15:29,389 --> 00:15:27,959
up you know yeah I think for me I look

444
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at it as well that a little knowledge

445
00:15:33,410 --> 00:15:31,199
can be a dangerous thing and you can

446
00:15:35,389 --> 00:15:33,420
start to and that's a God isn't that

447
00:15:38,269 --> 00:15:35,399
just a UFO Topic in general though ever

448
00:15:42,350 --> 00:15:38,279
since since day one that you you create

449
00:15:44,569 --> 00:15:42,360
whole hypothesis and ideas and your firm

450
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resolutions on

451
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on part of a whole is having that kind

452
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of part of a jig so I wasn't thinking

453
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going well this must be the full picture

454
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but you don't know what else might be

455
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there

456
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um like I gave my catchphrase for those

457
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that might have seen that and you've

458
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only got a couple of squares revealed

459
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and you you're just kind of piecing

460
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together what it might be

461
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um I like your analogies do do a

462
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Christmas tree one again that one oh

463
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yeah for Ryan spread yeah

464
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um

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the

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it's great to get any information out

467
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but I can see why others get frustrated

468
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with it but also you'll speak to to

469
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others who don't like the idea of leaks

470
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coming out because it's like in a

471
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failure of people to protect or serve

472
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Oaths or ndas or you know that

473
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information should be getting out so I

474
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get it's a kind of tightrope that gets

475
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walked but yeah I think for me I would

476
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still love whether it was a Gallagher

477
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Rubio gillibrand Warner budget or any

478
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other from any of these organizations to

479
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come out and give us a little bit of

480
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something you know some more information

481
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to get released ideally like you say

482
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that it comes out officially you know

483
00:16:48,650 --> 00:16:46,259
that would be it can you imagine that

484
00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:48,660
Susan Gough standing there on the podium

485
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and saying look right okay here you go

486
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here's a video

487
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um not that that's ever going to happen

488
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but that would be like oh yeah Christmas

489
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trees at once so for some reason at

490
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least uh it will be believable if she

491
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didn't know how to use VLC media player

492
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:03,779
yeah shout out to VLC media player uh

493
00:17:06,650 --> 00:17:05,520
not one of the sponsors unless I want to

494
00:17:09,049 --> 00:17:06,660
get in touch

495
00:17:11,569 --> 00:17:09,059
um the guy that develops it does that

496
00:17:14,329 --> 00:17:11,579
does listen to the show so a big shout

497
00:17:16,130 --> 00:17:14,339
out for VLC High VLC media player the

498
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:16,140
only media player if you want to use

499
00:17:20,090 --> 00:17:18,480
that yeah Dan do you use any other no we

500
00:17:21,650 --> 00:17:20,100
won't go into that listen so yeah you

501
00:17:23,689 --> 00:17:21,660
mentioned Dan Avila web is going to be

502
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an attendance as well as Enigma Labs

503
00:17:26,929 --> 00:17:25,500
Enigma Labs is another nose piece I've

504
00:17:27,949 --> 00:17:26,939
got just to discuss quickly because I

505
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know it's something you know a little

506
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bit about

507
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um Enigma labs are working on an app

508
00:17:35,210 --> 00:17:33,720
aren't they which is going to come into

509
00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:35,220
you so if you go into the website which

510
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will be in the description to the

511
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podcast

512
00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:40,860
um the it gives you an option to go into

513
00:17:45,289 --> 00:17:43,740
the iOS beta waiting list I think yeah

514
00:17:47,330 --> 00:17:45,299
that's right

515
00:17:49,010 --> 00:17:47,340
um so I'm going to be done Mission Dan

516
00:17:50,990 --> 00:17:49,020
and you can tell us a little bit more so

517
00:17:53,330 --> 00:17:51,000
their mission on their website uh which

518
00:17:55,190 --> 00:17:53,340
is pretty sparse at the moment for for

519
00:17:57,470 --> 00:17:55,200
reasons we can go into to advance

520
00:17:59,570 --> 00:17:57,480
progress on new AP using Cutting Edge

521
00:18:01,610 --> 00:17:59,580
technology and social intelligence only

522
00:18:03,950 --> 00:18:01,620
through thoughtful open-minded study or

523
00:18:06,169 --> 00:18:03,960
of unidentified phenomena can we get

524
00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:06,179
answers we are focused on building and

525
00:18:10,669 --> 00:18:08,880
keep our team low profile for privacy

526
00:18:12,110 --> 00:18:10,679
that might answer that last part is why

527
00:18:14,210 --> 00:18:12,120
some of it's a little bit sparse though

528
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:14,220
on the Privacy side of things and so

529
00:18:16,370 --> 00:18:15,360
what do you know Dan about Enigma

530
00:18:19,549 --> 00:18:16,380
because you've mentioned them a few

531
00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:19,559
times before yeah so um Enigma seemed to

532
00:18:24,650 --> 00:18:22,080
be a company that sprang up with a bit

533
00:18:27,110 --> 00:18:24,660
of investor support the investors are a

534
00:18:28,909 --> 00:18:27,120
bit of a mystery uh some some people if

535
00:18:32,150 --> 00:18:28,919
you speak to them they mention a company

536
00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:32,160
called uh novastar and kind of

537
00:18:37,070 --> 00:18:35,520
overseeing the the arrow information and

538
00:18:39,650 --> 00:18:37,080
that these companies are now going to be

539
00:18:40,909 --> 00:18:39,660
feeding into that secure system yeah uh

540
00:18:41,810 --> 00:18:40,919
and it's making some people a little

541
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:41,820
worried that some of the information

542
00:18:46,610 --> 00:18:44,640
being put into databases at Enigma and

543
00:18:48,830 --> 00:18:46,620
places like that are going to be kind of

544
00:18:50,750 --> 00:18:48,840
you know shoehorned into into a box

545
00:18:52,250 --> 00:18:50,760
never to be seen by the light of day I

546
00:18:54,289 --> 00:18:52,260
was going to ask you that because that's

547
00:18:55,850 --> 00:18:54,299
and again just to just to round that off

548
00:18:58,190 --> 00:18:55,860
that was one of the the things I've seen

549
00:18:59,570 --> 00:18:58,200
online about it is a few people on

550
00:19:02,270 --> 00:18:59,580
social media

551
00:19:04,370 --> 00:19:02,280
um when you go on to about us they say

552
00:19:05,930 --> 00:19:04,380
they are natural Global and professional

553
00:19:07,130 --> 00:19:05,940
that's three separate headings or some

554
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:07,140
information under each which is

555
00:19:10,190 --> 00:19:09,120
fantastic some of the concerns you have

556
00:19:13,010 --> 00:19:10,200
mentioned online is about them

557
00:19:14,510 --> 00:19:13,020
partnering with arrow and NASA and some

558
00:19:16,970 --> 00:19:14,520
see that as going against the

559
00:19:18,110 --> 00:19:16,980
transparency angle because potentially

560
00:19:20,409 --> 00:19:18,120
the information then going into

561
00:19:24,289 --> 00:19:20,419
databases of private aerospace companies

562
00:19:26,990 --> 00:19:24,299
can be heading away and you can't for

563
00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:27,000
your request that you can't get at it

564
00:19:31,070 --> 00:19:29,039
um so again that seems to be one that

565
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:31,080
there's a fence work to be done on it

566
00:19:35,690 --> 00:19:33,360
whether you are on the side side of it

567
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,700
being right or wrong and it reminds me I

568
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:37,440
suppose of ttsa for example and maybe

569
00:19:41,690 --> 00:19:38,880
this is where people got their fingers

570
00:19:44,270 --> 00:19:41,700
burned a little bit where uh a company

571
00:19:45,650 --> 00:19:44,280
came out promised one thing you know we

572
00:19:47,570 --> 00:19:45,660
saw the picture of the anti-gravity

573
00:19:49,130 --> 00:19:47,580
craft and we heard of all these things

574
00:19:50,510 --> 00:19:49,140
that may or may not come out I suppose

575
00:19:53,570 --> 00:19:50,520
one of the things that we can point to

576
00:19:55,130 --> 00:19:53,580
that was realistic was the piece of

577
00:19:57,650 --> 00:19:55,140
material that they purchased from London

578
00:19:59,450 --> 00:19:57,660
molten how that then went to the US

579
00:20:00,830 --> 00:19:59,460
government under a crada agreement which

580
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:00,840
apparently is still in the works we

581
00:20:04,610 --> 00:20:02,640
spoke to a few people about that and

582
00:20:05,810 --> 00:20:04,620
that's upset people that well there was

583
00:20:07,250 --> 00:20:05,820
something we had you had physical

584
00:20:08,510 --> 00:20:07,260
evidence you could have done the work

585
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:08,520
but you gave it to the government and

586
00:20:11,630 --> 00:20:09,840
now it's gone

587
00:20:14,450 --> 00:20:11,640
and you can't really disagree with that

588
00:20:16,610 --> 00:20:14,460
can you that that does happen and

589
00:20:18,110 --> 00:20:16,620
what can be done so what what are your

590
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:18,120
thoughts saying on the organizations

591
00:20:22,010 --> 00:20:19,440
like this

592
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:22,020
who are looking to be transparent and do

593
00:20:28,190 --> 00:20:24,240
the work but one they still need funding

594
00:20:30,890 --> 00:20:28,200
which this helps them get but two it can

595
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:30,900
compromise the overall idea of

596
00:20:34,909 --> 00:20:32,880
transparency

597
00:20:37,010 --> 00:20:34,919
yeah for sure so I think the the

598
00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:37,020
important thing to remember is the word

599
00:20:40,909 --> 00:20:38,580
collaborate

600
00:20:42,590 --> 00:20:40,919
um you know we've said that I I think I

601
00:20:44,150 --> 00:20:42,600
said earlier as well partnership but

602
00:20:45,770 --> 00:20:44,160
collaborate is the way it goes and when

603
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:45,780
I collaborate with people I can appear

604
00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:47,760
in various forms right it can appear in

605
00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:50,460
a form where they do most of the work or

606
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:53,220
you know it's a shared workload or you

607
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,720
just share everything you've got with

608
00:20:56,990 --> 00:20:56,400
each other openly

609
00:20:59,570 --> 00:20:57,000
um

610
00:21:01,909 --> 00:20:59,580
Enigma NASA you know they're all working

611
00:21:03,650 --> 00:21:01,919
with arrow and they're in Galilee as

612
00:21:06,049 --> 00:21:03,660
well and they're all very dedicated to

613
00:21:08,570 --> 00:21:06,059
to transparency as they say

614
00:21:11,210 --> 00:21:08,580
the information flow to Arrow is going

615
00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:11,220
to be specifically about uh sensitive

616
00:21:16,490 --> 00:21:14,580
airspaces and on one hand like yes okay

617
00:21:18,650 --> 00:21:16,500
you know that that information going to

618
00:21:20,450 --> 00:21:18,660
arrow means that we probably won't see

619
00:21:21,890 --> 00:21:20,460
that aside from in the reports and it

620
00:21:23,570 --> 00:21:21,900
won't even be specified you know we had

621
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:23,580
50 cases from Enigma or something like

622
00:21:27,289 --> 00:21:25,200
that but

623
00:21:29,570 --> 00:21:27,299
on the other side of the coin you kind

624
00:21:31,610 --> 00:21:29,580
of want Arrow to have a full picture of

625
00:21:33,529 --> 00:21:31,620
everything that's happening so the more

626
00:21:35,570 --> 00:21:33,539
people that Arrow are collaborating with

627
00:21:38,210 --> 00:21:35,580
the more chance they've got have kind of

628
00:21:41,450 --> 00:21:38,220
seeing the whole picture so we we need

629
00:21:44,270 --> 00:21:41,460
that that cross-pollination to happen uh

630
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:44,280
but people who certainly I think fair in

631
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:46,080
being a little bit timid and I think

632
00:21:49,370 --> 00:21:47,760
you're probably right about the ttsa

633
00:21:52,370 --> 00:21:49,380
kind of maybe burning some some people's

634
00:21:54,590 --> 00:21:52,380
fingers uh but I remain hopeful and

635
00:21:56,210 --> 00:21:54,600
positive that all these kind of groups

636
00:21:58,370 --> 00:21:56,220
are working together

637
00:21:59,930 --> 00:21:58,380
um and that a lot of them uh you know

638
00:22:01,970 --> 00:21:59,940
Galileo have always said we're not

639
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:01,980
touching classified data because it

640
00:22:07,549 --> 00:22:04,559
means that we can't discuss it then so I

641
00:22:09,710 --> 00:22:07,559
would think that places like Galileo can

642
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:09,720
discuss everything that they gather even

643
00:22:13,610 --> 00:22:11,280
if they can't specifically tell us what

644
00:22:15,049 --> 00:22:13,620
they've given to Arrow so it remains to

645
00:22:17,649 --> 00:22:15,059
be seen kind of How Deep The

646
00:22:20,750 --> 00:22:17,659
collaboration goes uh but but I'm

647
00:22:22,370 --> 00:22:20,760
cautiously optimistic I would say so so

648
00:22:23,450 --> 00:22:22,380
what's their app meant to do when it

649
00:22:25,610 --> 00:22:23,460
gets released

650
00:22:27,649 --> 00:22:25,620
so the app will contain access to the

651
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:27,659
databases basically as well as a

652
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:30,000
reporting tool so you would have on your

653
00:22:36,590 --> 00:22:33,919
phone essentially uh access to databases

654
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:36,600
from you know we're talking like four

655
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:39,600
five six decades all standardized in the

656
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:41,280
same way so we can actually start

657
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,960
looking at patterns and things like that

658
00:22:45,710 --> 00:22:44,159
you know we can see if there's any

659
00:22:47,690 --> 00:22:45,720
correlation with temperature all the

660
00:22:50,450 --> 00:22:47,700
time of year and things like that for

661
00:22:51,950 --> 00:22:50,460
UFO sightings as well as that there's a

662
00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:51,960
reporting portion of it so you can

663
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,600
actually feed into that database I don't

664
00:22:58,850 --> 00:22:55,919
know if you've ever gone on to the move

665
00:23:01,789 --> 00:22:58,860
on website to report a UFO encounter but

666
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,799
it's quite a long process and there's

667
00:23:06,490 --> 00:23:03,600
you know it's not really modernized I'd

668
00:23:09,649 --> 00:23:06,500
say so this is kind of a nice modern

669
00:23:11,149 --> 00:23:09,659
version to get with your smartphone

670
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,159
um so that it's on you all the time so

671
00:23:14,690 --> 00:23:13,200
you can report it quicker you know the

672
00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:14,700
data capture can be better because your

673
00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:16,440
smartphone has a whole bunch of sensors

674
00:23:20,990 --> 00:23:18,840
like temperature atmosphere all those

675
00:23:24,289 --> 00:23:21,000
kind of things so all of that will feed

676
00:23:26,750 --> 00:23:24,299
into these databases is that similar to

677
00:23:28,850 --> 00:23:26,760
The Vault or Scout apps that were were

678
00:23:30,890 --> 00:23:28,860
talked about back in the day by two of

679
00:23:32,750 --> 00:23:30,900
the stars that went away

680
00:23:34,190 --> 00:23:32,760
that's not a bad way to think of them I

681
00:23:38,930 --> 00:23:34,200
think the the only difference would be

682
00:23:44,270 --> 00:23:42,409
a very the idea was that say you and I

683
00:23:48,130 --> 00:23:44,280
were in the same area and I saw a UFO

684
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,140
and we both had Scout on our phones

685
00:23:51,950 --> 00:23:50,400
exactly so you could film and then we

686
00:23:53,930 --> 00:23:51,960
could triangulate and get distances and

687
00:23:55,010 --> 00:23:53,940
stuff I don't think this app is going to

688
00:23:56,270 --> 00:23:55,020
do that

689
00:23:57,950 --> 00:23:56,280
um it's just going to be a much more

690
00:24:01,370 --> 00:23:57,960
modern version of essentially you know

691
00:24:03,049 --> 00:24:01,380
the these balls input forms through

692
00:24:06,409 --> 00:24:03,059
places like move on and things like that

693
00:24:09,169 --> 00:24:06,419
so yeah I mean I I can't imagine the

694
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:09,179
Young Generation going on to a website

695
00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:11,520
like move on and going and filing all

696
00:24:15,710 --> 00:24:13,740
those kind of different

697
00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:15,720
there are so many data points they want

698
00:24:20,270 --> 00:24:17,460
there it just takes about 30 minutes to

699
00:24:21,890 --> 00:24:20,280
file a to file a report uh whereas

700
00:24:23,570 --> 00:24:21,900
people just tend to write you know just

701
00:24:25,789 --> 00:24:23,580
a big paragraph and just make it with a

702
00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:25,799
picture or two that's more what Enigma

703
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:28,020
is geared towards it's like any form

704
00:24:31,010 --> 00:24:29,520
these days the more clicks the more

705
00:24:33,409 --> 00:24:31,020
people drop off is to go through it and

706
00:24:35,870 --> 00:24:33,419
if a thousand people start filling out a

707
00:24:36,830 --> 00:24:35,880
form that's got 30 questions by the end

708
00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:36,840
of it

709
00:24:40,669 --> 00:24:39,000
so many of them were dropped off as it

710
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,679
goes along and there's patterns and

711
00:24:43,130 --> 00:24:42,000
studies on that kind of stuff so I get

712
00:24:44,930 --> 00:24:43,140
it because we've all done it where you

713
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:44,940
see this will only take five minutes and

714
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,140
you go on and it's dropped down and

715
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,240
click this and drop down and even just a

716
00:24:52,250 --> 00:24:49,919
layout of it the presentation of a

717
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,260
survey can be really off-putting so yeah

718
00:24:55,850 --> 00:24:54,000
I can see why that happens and we miss

719
00:24:58,190 --> 00:24:55,860
out don't we I was listening to a

720
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:58,200
podcast that I loved last night

721
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,480
um I'll listen to I've got Dan onto them

722
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,159
recently Plumbing the Death Star it's a

723
00:25:06,049 --> 00:25:04,080
group called Sans Pantry Sans pants

724
00:25:07,789 --> 00:25:06,059
radio Australia new zealand-based

725
00:25:09,230 --> 00:25:07,799
comedians are all very funny but they do

726
00:25:10,730 --> 00:25:09,240
a host of different podcasts and one of

727
00:25:13,490 --> 00:25:10,740
them is called Jackson Bailey's books

728
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:13,500
America and they take a funny look at

729
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:16,559
ghost cases you know and monsters

730
00:25:20,750 --> 00:25:18,960
werewolves all that kind of stuff and

731
00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:20,760
they they sometimes touch on new afos

732
00:25:24,289 --> 00:25:22,679
and if you're if you're protective or

733
00:25:26,210 --> 00:25:24,299
sensitive about the UFO topic maybe

734
00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:26,220
don't listen to it because they aren't

735
00:25:29,930 --> 00:25:28,260
really Believers themselves but they

736
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,940
present the information that they gather

737
00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:31,440
and it can I I like them because they're

738
00:25:34,669 --> 00:25:32,520
really funny

739
00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:34,679
um but they were talking about UFO

740
00:25:39,769 --> 00:25:37,320
sightings and this was the got

741
00:25:41,149 --> 00:25:39,779
information from statista I think was

742
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:41,159
the website or something like that or

743
00:25:48,289 --> 00:25:45,840
statisto and it was from 2015 or 20 2015

744
00:25:49,970 --> 00:25:48,299
or 2017 and it was something one of the

745
00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:49,980
guys on the show asked well how many UFO

746
00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:51,960
reports with modern technology actually

747
00:25:56,090 --> 00:25:54,120
get you know reported these days I bet

748
00:25:58,430 --> 00:25:56,100
it's quite low because everyone's got a

749
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:58,440
camera and you know there's no UFOs in

750
00:26:01,250 --> 00:25:59,760
the sky is there really so no one's

751
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:01,260
filling UFOs because they don't exist

752
00:26:05,630 --> 00:26:03,120
and one of the guys went on and was like

753
00:26:07,070 --> 00:26:05,640
yeah there was 8 000 reports and they

754
00:26:09,890 --> 00:26:07,080
they passed that off as being like a

755
00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:09,900
worldwide reporting sure and and we know

756
00:26:14,029 --> 00:26:11,580
for a fact whether that's right or wrong

757
00:26:15,169 --> 00:26:14,039
I imagine that number is far too low

758
00:26:17,330 --> 00:26:15,179
because I think they get more reports

759
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,340
than that just in the us alone

760
00:26:21,409 --> 00:26:19,679
people just don't report because like

761
00:26:23,090 --> 00:26:21,419
you say the standardization isn't there

762
00:26:26,210 --> 00:26:23,100
they wouldn't phone the place to report

763
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,220
a UFO they wouldn't phone you know the

764
00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:28,080
local government politicians to report a

765
00:26:32,990 --> 00:26:31,500
UFO I get questions to me how do I

766
00:26:34,730 --> 00:26:33,000
report a site and I've seen and usually

767
00:26:36,169 --> 00:26:34,740
I say to them going to move on or if

768
00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:36,179
it's in the UK you've got the guys at

769
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,940
UFO identified to collect reports but

770
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:40,799
there's such a lack of standardization

771
00:26:45,409 --> 00:26:43,020
isn't there that most of these reports

772
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,419
got into the ether me myself with my two

773
00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:47,520
sightings that we've talked about plenty

774
00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:49,380
of times they've never been reported

775
00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:51,960
because what's the point

776
00:26:56,269 --> 00:26:53,700
yeah like what did they do with them

777
00:26:57,470 --> 00:26:56,279
right they don't follow up um I'm the

778
00:26:59,210 --> 00:26:57,480
same you know I think I've reported

779
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:59,220
maybe two of the ones I've experienced

780
00:27:02,269 --> 00:27:00,720
and and then I was just like there's

781
00:27:04,250 --> 00:27:02,279
nothing happening with this even if

782
00:27:05,870 --> 00:27:04,260
someone picked up from mufon they would

783
00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:05,880
come and you know they would be

784
00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:07,260
interviews and then it wouldn't go

785
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:08,520
forward

786
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:11,520
um I'm much more encouraged by that kind

787
00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:13,919
of overall database analysis especially

788
00:27:18,049 --> 00:27:15,960
what we've got these days with AI kind

789
00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:18,059
of being able to identify patterns that

790
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:20,400
humans can't we're already finding you

791
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:21,840
know create an element of sorry no

792
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:23,760
elements but materials that we we didn't

793
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,380
think were possible because of these

794
00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:27,360
Technologies saying hey you know try try

795
00:27:32,029 --> 00:27:29,940
this combination yeah so I'm real

796
00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:32,039
hopeful for for a database like enigmas

797
00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:34,500
to shine some light uh where you know

798
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:35,700
there's just going to be Darkness

799
00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:38,159
essentially and on that finally is there

800
00:27:42,049 --> 00:27:40,440
any dates proposed as to when their app

801
00:27:45,289 --> 00:27:42,059
maybe up and running

802
00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:45,299
uh not as far as I know but the IOS app

803
00:27:50,029 --> 00:27:47,940
being in beta means that it's decently

804
00:27:51,769 --> 00:27:50,039
far along so I would probably expect

805
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:51,779
sometime in the next year

806
00:27:56,510 --> 00:27:54,000
cool that may have been useful if we had

807
00:27:59,630 --> 00:27:56,520
that app for the next nose piece from

808
00:28:01,789 --> 00:27:59,640
the FAA audio clips John Greenwald over

809
00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:01,799
at The Black Vault had fire requested an

810
00:28:07,070 --> 00:28:04,260
incident from the 11th of November 2022

811
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,080
where a pilot reported two to three

812
00:28:11,870 --> 00:28:09,840
circling lights above their aircraft

813
00:28:14,210 --> 00:28:11,880
um on the audio clipping it goes about

814
00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:14,220
an hour John again the link is in the

815
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,880
description John Greenwald mentions that

816
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,919
the the much the recording was much

817
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:21,360
longer but he's taking out the chat or

818
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:23,220
the silence season anything non-ufo

819
00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:24,480
related

820
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:26,220
um the pilot essentially asked the tower

821
00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:27,360
at the start is there any military

822
00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:29,400
activity going on locally they confirm

823
00:28:33,049 --> 00:28:31,380
nothing confirmed and the rest of is

824
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:33,059
essentially the pilot talking about you

825
00:28:37,370 --> 00:28:34,799
know what he's kind of saying

826
00:28:38,930 --> 00:28:37,380
um Ben Hansen had reported similar a few

827
00:28:41,149 --> 00:28:38,940
months ago if people remember I had been

828
00:28:43,010 --> 00:28:41,159
on to talk about the the investigations

829
00:28:45,649 --> 00:28:43,020
he was doing and more of these Pilots

830
00:28:47,210 --> 00:28:45,659
are reporting seeing lights there were

831
00:28:49,370 --> 00:28:47,220
quite a few people though who are quite

832
00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:49,380
adamant that the pilots are just

833
00:28:53,810 --> 00:28:52,140
misidentifying starlink satellites let

834
00:28:56,350 --> 00:28:53,820
me put out there straight away I am not

835
00:28:58,610 --> 00:28:56,360
a pilot that might shock some people

836
00:29:00,610 --> 00:28:58,620
no actually no I never got my license

837
00:29:02,510 --> 00:29:00,620
I'm terrified

838
00:29:03,890 --> 00:29:02,520
whenever you tell me you're on your way

839
00:29:06,110 --> 00:29:03,900
to work I just assume you're in your

840
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:06,120
personal plane absolutely I've been a

841
00:29:11,390 --> 00:29:08,100
very very low low height

842
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,400
um so yeah not for me but listen there

843
00:29:15,409 --> 00:29:13,919
the annulation expert but I think when

844
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,419
it comes to starlink satellites those

845
00:29:18,769 --> 00:29:17,039
are a very new phenomena for people to

846
00:29:20,210 --> 00:29:18,779
see in the skies

847
00:29:21,409 --> 00:29:20,220
um they have only been up there for a

848
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,419
few years and we know the numbers are

849
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,279
increasing all the time

850
00:29:27,230 --> 00:29:25,440
um it does seem like there's a chance

851
00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:27,240
they have may have been starlink

852
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:29,220
satellites Mick West

853
00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:32,399
um did put up some information under the

854
00:29:36,409 --> 00:29:34,380
thread to say that there were starlink

855
00:29:38,690 --> 00:29:36,419
satellite flares

856
00:29:40,190 --> 00:29:38,700
um and it gave the possession of the sun

857
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:40,200
he gave you know where the starlink

858
00:29:43,070 --> 00:29:41,760
satellites were at that time of the

859
00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:43,080
night where they were in the sky there

860
00:29:48,049 --> 00:29:46,260
was a lot of them and it it goes without

861
00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:48,059
saying that it could be that that's an

862
00:29:53,330 --> 00:29:51,299
explanation for it and what I'm grateful

863
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:53,340
of though is that we're getting Pilots

864
00:29:56,570 --> 00:29:54,720
talking about these more and more

865
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,580
they're not seeing strange lights in the

866
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:58,320
sky and going all those look like UFOs

867
00:30:01,130 --> 00:30:00,000
I'm just going to ignore them that

868
00:30:03,289 --> 00:30:01,140
they're getting in touch with Towers

869
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,299
they're filing reports and people like

870
00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:05,760
John are able to go in and fire request

871
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:08,580
these that again similar to the the UFO

872
00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:10,860
report we had that just a few weeks ago

873
00:30:16,490 --> 00:30:14,460
or a week so I go 500 cases

874
00:30:17,570 --> 00:30:16,500
x amount explained it doesn't mean that

875
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,580
more of them aren't going to have

876
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,919
prosaic explanations but what it means

877
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,600
is we can filter those out and we can

878
00:30:24,830 --> 00:30:23,520
get better at filtering those out to say

879
00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:24,840
oh yeah it was an aircraft it was

880
00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:26,700
clutter it was a drone it was something

881
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:29,340
else but it leaves us that number that

882
00:30:32,450 --> 00:30:30,600
are still going to be truly

883
00:30:34,669 --> 00:30:32,460
unexplainable they exhibit five

884
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,679
observables and that can only be a good

885
00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:36,960
thing as opposed to not getting reports

886
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:39,000
and having almost nothing to work with

887
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,320
that's the way I'm kind of looking at it

888
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,960
then is that two glass half full no I I

889
00:30:45,769 --> 00:30:44,399
would completely agree with you you know

890
00:30:47,570 --> 00:30:45,779
it doesn't matter if these things are

891
00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:47,580
prosaic we have to solve them and take

892
00:30:51,889 --> 00:30:49,500
them off the table and and only by doing

893
00:30:54,409 --> 00:30:51,899
that can we say that's not a UFO like

894
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,419
it's an ifo now and identified you know

895
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:55,919
flying object

896
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:57,600
um

897
00:31:01,730 --> 00:30:59,760
mix kind of assertion about starlink

898
00:31:03,950 --> 00:31:01,740
what I love about things like this is

899
00:31:05,389 --> 00:31:03,960
because those systems exist for us to

900
00:31:07,070 --> 00:31:05,399
you know just set a home fire up

901
00:31:09,049 --> 00:31:07,080
stellarium and look at where the sun was

902
00:31:10,490 --> 00:31:09,059
and where the styling was that means

903
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,500
that that can be an automated system

904
00:31:15,049 --> 00:31:12,720
essentially so a company like a late

905
00:31:16,850 --> 00:31:15,059
Enigma if they wanted to could create

906
00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:16,860
this little thing in their app that if

907
00:31:21,529 --> 00:31:19,320
you are this specific degrees on the

908
00:31:22,970 --> 00:31:21,539
horizon from The Starlight satellite and

909
00:31:24,590 --> 00:31:22,980
you go to film something it could say

910
00:31:26,210 --> 00:31:24,600
hold on this could be a styling

911
00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:26,220
satellite let me cross-reference that

912
00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:29,700
without even asking anyone so this this

913
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,799
kind of modern technological approach

914
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:33,840
can help tackle things like this yeah

915
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:35,279
and I think that's what we're going to

916
00:31:39,470 --> 00:31:36,960
see develop over the next few years so

917
00:31:42,289 --> 00:31:39,480
that low hanging fruit like the starlink

918
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,299
stuff can just be dealt with we see

919
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:44,399
people from the ground kind of filming

920
00:31:48,289 --> 00:31:46,500
starlink and you know posting videos of

921
00:31:49,850 --> 00:31:48,299
rocket launches as well just because

922
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,860
it's outside of their wheelhouse of

923
00:31:52,430 --> 00:31:51,120
experience so they don't know what

924
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:52,440
they're looking at

925
00:31:56,690 --> 00:31:55,200
um and yeah like I say an automated

926
00:31:58,430 --> 00:31:56,700
system that could just you know take the

927
00:32:01,370 --> 00:31:58,440
time and place of their video and just

928
00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:01,380
say hey you know it might be this within

929
00:32:05,510 --> 00:32:03,659
a degree of certainty it could take a

930
00:32:07,850 --> 00:32:05,520
lot of cases off the table and allow us

931
00:32:09,169 --> 00:32:07,860
to focus on the anomalous stuff yeah and

932
00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:09,179
that's not to say that there may not

933
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:10,620
have been something there because it's

934
00:32:14,450 --> 00:32:12,480
just one explanation and I suppose

935
00:32:17,510 --> 00:32:14,460
there's still a lack a full lack of data

936
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:17,520
sets from it including the I the

937
00:32:22,370 --> 00:32:19,500
eyewitness testimony of the pilot is is

938
00:32:24,289 --> 00:32:22,380
crucial because these these guys and

939
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:24,299
these these women they know what they're

940
00:32:27,889 --> 00:32:25,320
seeing

941
00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:27,899
but they can still misidentify things

942
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,600
sure but again the cameras never look as

943
00:32:33,289 --> 00:32:32,159
good as a naked eye and we've all done

944
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,299
it it's the old thing I'm going to take

945
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:35,039
a picture of the Moon and you go on your

946
00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:36,480
your phone that costs you a thousand

947
00:32:39,649 --> 00:32:38,520
pounds and it's a white dot in the sky

948
00:32:42,049 --> 00:32:39,659
and you're like oh that doesn't look

949
00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:42,059
like what I'm looking at so again and

950
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:43,980
it's the frame rates isn't it where you

951
00:32:47,149 --> 00:32:45,720
see something dropping and out and that

952
00:32:48,889 --> 00:32:47,159
was one of the things on the Ben Hansen

953
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:48,899
footage that I remember watching it down

954
00:32:52,610 --> 00:32:50,700
with you at one point before we recorded

955
00:32:53,810 --> 00:32:52,620
our show and I don't think we were sure

956
00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:53,820
what we were meant to be looking at

957
00:32:57,789 --> 00:32:56,340
because there was a star or several

958
00:32:59,930 --> 00:32:57,799
Stars wasn't there

959
00:33:02,029 --> 00:32:59,940
and I was like oh I've been looking at

960
00:33:03,649 --> 00:33:02,039
that and I think you were as well but it

961
00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:03,659
was just the star flashing in and out

962
00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:05,700
because of the frame rate yeah that's

963
00:33:09,409 --> 00:33:07,260
right and it kind of makes it look a

964
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:09,419
little normal so yeah when when that

965
00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:10,559
person was looking back at the video

966
00:33:13,009 --> 00:33:11,700
they were kind of going oh that's

967
00:33:14,990 --> 00:33:13,019
flickering in and out that must have

968
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:15,000
been what I saw but actually you know

969
00:33:19,070 --> 00:33:17,220
we'll pop further examination it wasn't

970
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,080
um and and some debunkers use that to

971
00:33:22,850 --> 00:33:21,120
wipe that kind of video off the table

972
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,860
when really the conversation should have

973
00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:24,480
been about that eyewitness testimony or

974
00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:26,700
you're absolutely right there are larger

975
00:33:29,630 --> 00:33:28,260
contexts to these things and it goes the

976
00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:29,640
other way as well I posted a video

977
00:33:35,389 --> 00:33:32,460
online from a volcano here in Mexico

978
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,399
that's a bit of a hot spot for UFOs and

979
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:36,960
there was an object just a black object

980
00:33:39,769 --> 00:33:38,340
kind of floating through the sky that

981
00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:39,779
when I was there I thought it was a

982
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:41,820
balloon I I had people telling me it

983
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,740
wasn't a balloon and I was just like

984
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:45,120
this this is interesting this is going

985
00:33:53,570 --> 00:33:51,289
no it's just funny when you said UFO

986
00:33:56,029 --> 00:33:53,580
hotspot and volcano I was like yeah but

987
00:33:57,889 --> 00:33:56,039
yeah that's not what you meant

988
00:33:59,630 --> 00:33:57,899
um but listen yeah cool so um Good Luck

989
00:34:01,130 --> 00:33:59,640
from John Glenn mold on that one I will

990
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:01,140
put the link in the description check it

991
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:02,159
out folks see what you think for

992
00:34:06,409 --> 00:34:04,080
yourselves but thanks to John for doing

993
00:34:07,970 --> 00:34:06,419
that work and again it's one of those

994
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,980
situations where you need people like

995
00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:09,839
Mike West to at least present here's a

996
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,580
hypothesis and here's some work and at

997
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,679
least they put in why he thinks that's

998
00:34:17,629 --> 00:34:15,599
what it could be which is not just

999
00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:17,639
here's what it is but here's why I think

1000
00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:19,619
that as well so so fair enough folks

1001
00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:21,300
we'll leave that one open and finally

1002
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,260
from for me then uh the thehill.com uh

1003
00:34:29,930 --> 00:34:27,359
Marek Von Raymond Camp who puts out a

1004
00:34:32,690 --> 00:34:29,940
lot of good work on the hill put an

1005
00:34:34,849 --> 00:34:32,700
article out on the 19th of January uh

1006
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,859
Louis Rondo Christopher melon and others

1007
00:34:40,669 --> 00:34:36,480
have followed up and retweeted as well

1008
00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:40,679
10 reasons to take UFOs seriously and I

1009
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,659
like the issues UFOs and not UAP and

1010
00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:43,919
like a kind of serious serious

1011
00:34:47,930 --> 00:34:46,260
organization like uh the hill

1012
00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:47,940
um just fighting through them okay the

1013
00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:49,139
best way to do that stand because there

1014
00:34:52,609 --> 00:34:51,060
are 10 things on there but she would

1015
00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:52,619
just fire through and very very briefly

1016
00:34:56,210 --> 00:34:54,780
touch on each one yeah let's I think

1017
00:34:58,370 --> 00:34:56,220
they're fairly self-explanatory but yeah

1018
00:34:59,810 --> 00:34:58,380
let's go military pilot number one

1019
00:35:01,849 --> 00:34:59,820
military pilots and other service

1020
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:01,859
members reported more than 500

1021
00:35:05,630 --> 00:35:04,080
additional UFO incidents some appear to

1022
00:35:07,370 --> 00:35:05,640
demonstrate highly advanced technology

1023
00:35:10,130 --> 00:35:07,380
so yeah just coming from the recent

1024
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:10,140
report we had over 500 510 was a number

1025
00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:12,900
some of them obviously predated the

1026
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:15,000
initial report just due to timings and

1027
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,160
dates as to when they were submitted and

1028
00:35:20,329 --> 00:35:18,960
going through the system but again it's

1029
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,339
good to get that what I would love to

1030
00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:22,079
see on the next report or the next

1031
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:24,300
annual report even is that there are a

1032
00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:26,220
thousand or one and a half thousand

1033
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:29,220
again of which many will be prosaic many

1034
00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:30,480
will be

1035
00:35:34,130 --> 00:35:32,339
um US tech Russian Tech all that kind of

1036
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:34,140
stuff but there will still be a number

1037
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:36,000
of truly anomalous ones in there and

1038
00:35:40,190 --> 00:35:37,920
what we need to get better at are what

1039
00:35:41,870 --> 00:35:40,200
the the US need to get better at is

1040
00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:41,880
filtering those out

1041
00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:44,040
to make sure that they can present their

1042
00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:46,020
anomalous stuff in a much more concise

1043
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:46,980
fashion

1044
00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:49,920
absolutely and and arrow used a key

1045
00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:51,300
phrase in the report where they said

1046
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:52,980
that they were characterizing sightings

1047
00:35:57,890 --> 00:35:55,440
as opposed to solving them which means

1048
00:35:59,690 --> 00:35:57,900
that you know within about 90 certainty

1049
00:36:02,210 --> 00:35:59,700
they'll think something is characterized

1050
00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:02,220
as a balloon for example uh I I think

1051
00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:04,260
this is an effort to filter those down

1052
00:36:08,990 --> 00:36:06,660
so that they're not even with so many

1053
00:36:12,290 --> 00:36:09,000
number two then Congress is taking UFOs

1054
00:36:15,950 --> 00:36:12,300
extremely seriously yes but I've got to

1055
00:36:18,650 --> 00:36:15,960
be honest and say I was disappointed by

1056
00:36:21,050 --> 00:36:18,660
the lateness of the report that was due

1057
00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:21,060
in October that landed in January so

1058
00:36:26,089 --> 00:36:23,880
while it's been taken seriously is the

1059
00:36:29,390 --> 00:36:26,099
pressure or

1060
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:29,400
or demand for that that timeliness you

1061
00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:31,140
know we want this done and it wasn't

1062
00:36:35,450 --> 00:36:32,520
done

1063
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:35,460
that that's a little bit

1064
00:36:39,410 --> 00:36:37,680
upsetting uh you know when you oh yeah

1065
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:39,420
you're taking it seriously but are you

1066
00:36:43,609 --> 00:36:41,160
taking it that seriously

1067
00:36:45,710 --> 00:36:43,619
yeah exactly and I I think this kind of

1068
00:36:47,329 --> 00:36:45,720
goes along with point three as well in

1069
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,339
America where he says the government

1070
00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:49,200
officials are making eyebrow raising

1071
00:36:53,329 --> 00:36:51,480
statements about UFOs I think the more

1072
00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:53,339
eyebrow raising statements are made by

1073
00:36:56,990 --> 00:36:55,140
officials the most stink is going to be

1074
00:36:58,849 --> 00:36:57,000
kicked up about things like late

1075
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,859
reporting and things like that hopefully

1076
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:00,240
going forward that won't happen again

1077
00:37:04,490 --> 00:37:01,920
you know we're not going to be reporting

1078
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:04,500
through the dod now uh it's out from

1079
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:05,820
under their wing

1080
00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:08,960
so yeah fingers crossed the the

1081
00:37:13,609 --> 00:37:11,220
seriousness does start kind of getting

1082
00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:13,619
hammered down and and as I like to say

1083
00:37:16,849 --> 00:37:15,000
that the next year is going to be full

1084
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,859
of the stick not the carrot like this

1085
00:37:20,690 --> 00:37:19,200
year was full of yeah and you mentioned

1086
00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:20,700
those comments people like uh John

1087
00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:24,060
Ratcliffe and Bill Nelson really getting

1088
00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:26,339
into the not scurting around it but that

1089
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:28,680
yeah we could be talking alien life you

1090
00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:30,420
know or I'm not willing to get into

1091
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:32,760
talking about that in a way that's not

1092
00:37:39,370 --> 00:37:35,940
dismissive what was your thing said I I

1093
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:39,380
can't I can't go further it's like yeah

1094
00:37:44,089 --> 00:37:42,240
exactly and I know that is then that's

1095
00:37:46,130 --> 00:37:44,099
fuel for those who want to nitpick at it

1096
00:37:48,290 --> 00:37:46,140
but that's kind of positive for me that

1097
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:48,300
use of language number four scientists

1098
00:37:52,609 --> 00:37:50,880
are interested in the UFO phenomenon and

1099
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,619
have been for decades well that's just a

1100
00:37:58,130 --> 00:37:54,960
fact but yes um but we're seeing that

1101
00:38:01,250 --> 00:37:58,140
with uh aviloeb the Galileo project uh

1102
00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:01,260
even Dan very relevant uh Neil deGrasse

1103
00:38:05,329 --> 00:38:02,940
Tyson seem to have done a little bit of

1104
00:38:07,010 --> 00:38:05,339
a year turn on his his comments it's

1105
00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:07,020
coming around around he's trying to be

1106
00:38:11,329 --> 00:38:09,480
get get on the cool kids train now with

1107
00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:11,339
this subject um it kind of speaks

1108
00:38:14,510 --> 00:38:13,020
volumes to where the subject is that

1109
00:38:16,490 --> 00:38:14,520
someone like him is trying to kind of

1110
00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:16,500
claw back and get in the good graces of

1111
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:18,540
it uh all we ever wanted him to say was

1112
00:38:21,530 --> 00:38:20,160
science should tackle this and finally

1113
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:21,540
that's what he's saying

1114
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:23,520
do you know what Neil deGrasse Tyson

1115
00:38:27,470 --> 00:38:24,960
there'll be a good anagram in there and

1116
00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:27,480
the word alien is definitely there so if

1117
00:38:31,069 --> 00:38:29,160
someone wants to work that one out as to

1118
00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:31,079
what Neil deGrasse Tyson's anagram might

1119
00:38:34,849 --> 00:38:33,060
be to get the word alien in are we about

1120
00:38:36,650 --> 00:38:34,859
to find out he's reptilian is that what

1121
00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:36,660
yeah it's been there all along yeah

1122
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,720
number five the public analyzes sorry

1123
00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:41,760
public analysis corroborate eyewitness

1124
00:38:45,950 --> 00:38:44,099
account of UFOs exhibiting remarkable

1125
00:38:47,210 --> 00:38:45,960
technology

1126
00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:47,220
um

1127
00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:49,140
yeah again

1128
00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:51,720
we've got the accounts where again the

1129
00:38:54,589 --> 00:38:53,160
lack of evidence towards the kind of

1130
00:38:56,270 --> 00:38:54,599
thing there isn't it we do see pictures

1131
00:38:58,190 --> 00:38:56,280
and videos which may turn out to be

1132
00:39:01,130 --> 00:38:58,200
balloons for example

1133
00:39:03,530 --> 00:39:01,140
um and without the surrounding data

1134
00:39:04,910 --> 00:39:03,540
they are just that eyewitness accounts

1135
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:04,920
and it's I love an eyewitness account

1136
00:39:07,849 --> 00:39:06,240
you know I speak to people about them

1137
00:39:08,750 --> 00:39:07,859
you know I've had my own Dan you've had

1138
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,760
your own

1139
00:39:13,550 --> 00:39:11,040
but the more data you get along with it

1140
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:13,560
was it Sean K Hill in that room 101 a

1141
00:39:17,810 --> 00:39:15,839
couple of years ago put in one oh yes it

1142
00:39:19,790 --> 00:39:17,820
was when everything's got one source

1143
00:39:21,290 --> 00:39:19,800
it's useless whether it's testimony

1144
00:39:23,329 --> 00:39:21,300
whether it's just a video with no chain

1145
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:23,339
of custody whether it's a photograph you

1146
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:25,619
need multiple data points to really

1147
00:39:30,890 --> 00:39:28,320
really thicken it up so yeah fair enough

1148
00:39:33,770 --> 00:39:30,900
and number six number six the incredible

1149
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,780
sources observed UFOs for decades so

1150
00:39:37,069 --> 00:39:35,520
credible sources are exactly what we're

1151
00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:37,079
relying on because we don't have that

1152
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,240
data we're looking at people who who are

1153
00:39:42,589 --> 00:39:41,040
working in official positions of power

1154
00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:42,599
and are willing to talk about this We

1155
00:39:47,870 --> 00:39:45,060
Have astronauts we have Governors from

1156
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,880
Canada from Brazil from you know all

1157
00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:49,680
over the world talking about this uh

1158
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:51,960
it's about time we started listening

1159
00:39:56,329 --> 00:39:54,240
number seven an intra-government battle

1160
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,339
over UFOs may be brewing and we hear a

1161
00:40:00,530 --> 00:39:58,560
lot about this don't we Pro and anti-ufo

1162
00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:00,540
factions whether it's the religious

1163
00:40:05,569 --> 00:40:02,460
reasons spiritual reasons or other

1164
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,579
reasons uh that there's a bit of a tug

1165
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,440
of war going on as to how much

1166
00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:09,839
information gets out on the topic at all

1167
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:11,880
yeah and and I think the next point of

1168
00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:14,160
the the government's UFO hunt may have

1169
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:15,960
already hit National Security pay dirt

1170
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:17,640
kind of speaks to why that might be

1171
00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:19,260
taking place some of the government want

1172
00:40:22,490 --> 00:40:20,520
to keep this technology for themselves

1173
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:22,500
and use it for a military Advantage are

1174
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,760
the ones want it out in the world to

1175
00:40:27,650 --> 00:40:26,160
better mankind uh it remains to be seen

1176
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:27,660
who's going to win out but uh it

1177
00:40:32,089 --> 00:40:29,520
certainly feels like the the people

1178
00:40:34,370 --> 00:40:32,099
Shining Light on this issue are chipping

1179
00:40:36,109 --> 00:40:34,380
away and winning yeah and you've touched

1180
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,119
on number eight there haven't you uh

1181
00:40:40,430 --> 00:40:38,400
number nine UFOs are a fiercely bipart

1182
00:40:42,589 --> 00:40:40,440
is an issue yeah we seem to have seen

1183
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,599
that don't we and I suppose folks I'm

1184
00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:44,880
talking to you here with Dan about an

1185
00:40:48,770 --> 00:40:46,920
issue where 55 of you that listen to

1186
00:40:50,329 --> 00:40:48,780
this are based in the United States and

1187
00:40:52,609 --> 00:40:50,339
we're talking about your politicians

1188
00:40:54,109 --> 00:40:52,619
your political system your taxpayers you

1189
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:54,119
know these are your representatives

1190
00:40:57,230 --> 00:40:56,160
we're just gonna along for the ride in

1191
00:40:58,430 --> 00:40:57,240
the background looking to see what

1192
00:41:00,589 --> 00:40:58,440
you're doing

1193
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,599
um but it does seem that a lot of

1194
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:02,640
different politicians and regardless of

1195
00:41:05,569 --> 00:41:04,079
their politics which sometimes again

1196
00:41:06,770 --> 00:41:05,579
folks get in touch to say do you know

1197
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,780
about this one do you know about this

1198
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,119
one and understands on x y and z

1199
00:41:13,310 --> 00:41:11,280
we're just looking at the UFO topic here

1200
00:41:16,190 --> 00:41:13,320
and it does seem that it's bringing a

1201
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,200
lot of very varied people together

1202
00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:18,240
yeah absolutely um you know over the

1203
00:41:22,490 --> 00:41:20,280
decades it's collected a lot of fans uh

1204
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,500
I say decades again centuries but you

1205
00:41:25,310 --> 00:41:24,480
know the decades people are with us

1206
00:41:26,930 --> 00:41:25,320
still

1207
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,940
um yeah it's collected a lot of fans and

1208
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:29,040
a lot of people like Jack filet who have

1209
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:30,720
had a big impact on the world through

1210
00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:33,060
things like the internet and other kind

1211
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,400
of initiatives uh there are a lot of

1212
00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:36,960
people with their heads really switched

1213
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:40,500
on now looking at this issue and uh it

1214
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,920
has such huge implications uh no matter

1215
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,599
which way you look at it whether you

1216
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:47,280
think it's a Psy up or whether you think

1217
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:48,960
it's you know there's something here in

1218
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:51,119
the sky and we're being visited uh

1219
00:41:56,270 --> 00:41:54,000
wherever it may be from uh it's about

1220
00:41:58,190 --> 00:41:56,280
time we we started looking quite frankly

1221
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,200
and you mentioned there are profound

1222
00:42:01,790 --> 00:42:00,480
implications number 10 yeah UFOs are an

1223
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,800
intriguing mystery with potentially

1224
00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:03,839
profound implications I mean that's why

1225
00:42:08,810 --> 00:42:06,180
he doesn't whether you end up getting

1226
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:08,820
far too far down the rabbit hole and the

1227
00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:10,680
topic gets frustrating or you seem

1228
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:12,839
sometimes it's one step forward two

1229
00:42:17,690 --> 00:42:15,359
steps back I love talking about UFOs

1230
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:17,700
past present future I love speculating

1231
00:42:22,670 --> 00:42:20,400
and I think if you can hold that can I

1232
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,680
love of the mystery around it you know

1233
00:42:25,069 --> 00:42:24,240
that the topics of our present and

1234
00:42:26,450 --> 00:42:25,079
there's always going to be something

1235
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:26,460
there for you

1236
00:42:28,910 --> 00:42:27,119
um

1237
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,920
how have you found the last couple of

1238
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,480
years then to ask you this to finish off

1239
00:42:36,410 --> 00:42:32,880
then in terms of the progress It's been

1240
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:36,420
made but the setbacks as well

1241
00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:37,920
a lot of people like to say that

1242
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:40,200
nothing's going on I think everything

1243
00:42:43,849 --> 00:42:41,760
we've discussed today the fact it's got

1244
00:42:46,190 --> 00:42:43,859
to the UN the fact that you know we've

1245
00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:46,200
got these organizations that are so

1246
00:42:50,030 --> 00:42:47,700
robust that the government are actually

1247
00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:50,040
trying to work with them now turn the

1248
00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:51,960
clock back before 2017 and we just

1249
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:54,540
didn't have that even 2018 2019 you know

1250
00:42:59,569 --> 00:42:57,839
we're we're in a completely new area and

1251
00:43:01,250 --> 00:42:59,579
some of this feels familiar in terms of

1252
00:43:04,490 --> 00:43:01,260
the blue Booky way you know heinek was

1253
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:04,500
part of that 1978 un initiative

1254
00:43:08,569 --> 00:43:06,000
um so were some of the astronauts like

1255
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:08,579
golden Cooper yeah um but in other ways

1256
00:43:12,050 --> 00:43:10,560
it feels a little different uh you know

1257
00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:12,060
we're in the age of communication people

1258
00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:13,500
can pick up this information a lot

1259
00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:15,480
quicker now it can't be shut down as

1260
00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:18,900
fast uh if the UK try and you know veto

1261
00:43:22,670 --> 00:43:20,940
this I I can imagine a lot of ministers

1262
00:43:24,349 --> 00:43:22,680
getting annoyed by letters from A

1263
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,359
constituent saying what the hell are we

1264
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,400
doing this is an important issue

1265
00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:28,800
absolutely well done that's that's all

1266
00:43:31,550 --> 00:43:30,420
for this Roundup I don't suppose you've

1267
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:31,560
got anything else you want to touch on

1268
00:43:34,849 --> 00:43:32,520
or

1269
00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:34,859
uh no just to say I love everyone and

1270
00:43:38,329 --> 00:43:36,119
have an awesome day

1271
00:43:39,770 --> 00:43:38,339
awesome and yes and for me too folks

1272
00:43:41,089 --> 00:43:39,780
enjoy your weekends and we'll be back

1273
00:43:43,370 --> 00:43:41,099
next week with more interviewers and

1274
00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:43,380
breakdowns and hopefully next week we'll

1275
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,660
have the David pallides review of

1276
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:48,000
missing UFO connection missing 401 the

1277
00:43:51,770 --> 00:43:50,220
UFO connection and for those asking I'm

1278
00:43:53,930 --> 00:43:51,780
still trying to get that rescheduled as

1279
00:43:56,270 --> 00:43:53,940
well with David so until then enjoy your

1280
00:43:58,849 --> 00:43:56,280
weekends enjoy your week and speak soon

1281
00:44:00,650 --> 00:43:58,859
that is all for this week's show thank

1282
00:44:02,450 --> 00:44:00,660
you very much for listening please

1283
00:44:05,150 --> 00:44:02,460
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1284
00:44:07,609 --> 00:44:05,160
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00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,619
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00:44:11,569 --> 00:44:09,599
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1294
00:44:35,150 --> 00:44:29,160
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1295
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:58,660
champagne

1296
00:44:58,670 --> 00:45:07,190
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1297
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:21,220
because

1298
00:46:10,930 --> 00:45:23,150
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1299
00:46:10,940 --> 00:46:16,630
consider your space

1300
00:47:00,800 --> 00:46:29,330
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1301
00:47:10,770 --> 00:47:03,050
we can give it